I recently posted the article I wrote with
MAPP DTP alumni Rose Payne about feedback. We talked about the post in some
discussion group conversations. The article talks about feedback being
transactional – going between student and teacher (two-way). Not just given to
student from teacher (one way). The feedback is not to tell you if it is good
or not but to stimulate further thought. The further thought is going be
present or not yet activated in all your work. For instance, if you get
feedback on an AOL that you should use more literature to support your points. That
is going to be the same across all your writing or if it isn’t the same across
all your writing then have a look at the essays you have done where you have
used more literature and apply it to all your work. You must already know how
to do it so do it for all the work then.
Or if you have used even less in all your
other work. Have at look at the AOL where you got the feedback (even though you
used more literature than your other essays) and think about what you did to
use for literature and do more of it.
Helen and I are going to flag up and let
you know URGENTLY if we think something will fail. We are not giving feedback
to tell you pass or fail. The feedback is not to say yes this is good you don’t
have do any more to this!!!
The point of sending the draft
1)
Time management: The main point was that
we had noticed people were leaving writing all their AOLs until the last minute
and sometimes not getting them done in time. By giving you a draft deadline it
meant you had to commit of all the AOLs you would be writing and also have
thought about each of them
2)
Staring a conversation: On getting the
drafts I have read them all – I have chosen one that can produce feedback that
resonates across all that were sent. I have not marked each one as if I was
marking a school paper – it is not summative feedback that ends with you
knowing if you passed. That has everything to do with the emancipation of
learning from the teacher instructing to the teacher facilitating and partnering
in the learning journey we have spoken about in discussions etc…
3)
Stimulating your ideas: The feedback
provides ideas to think about. I don’t understand why more people don’t then
want to take up the opportunity to discuss it. – that is part of the
transaction of feedback. It is a two-way conversation.
I am worried you are suffering in silence – or feeling your are in
the deep-end alone. There needs to be a trust that Helen and I are not setting
you up. We’ll let you know any major problems. There needs to be a feeling of
interaction, discussion and ownership through talking about the feedback. Maybe
you don’t agree with some comments, maybe you don’t follow some comments. Maybe
you have written something else and want to know if you have addressed a
particular observation in your feedback. You could send it saying –
After your comment about use of Literature: ‘please can you look at
my use of literature in these four paragraphs of my new draft of AOL 3. It is
not the AOL you feedback on but I felt of all my AOLs I use literature lease in
this one. So I thought I would work on this one for that. I feel I have xxxxxx
and I wonder if your think I need to xxxxx“ then we can read look at that specific
point and give further feedback.
So, it is not just you sending things until you get an good job well
don’t comment. It is about dialogue challenge and interaction.
Adesola
Thank you, Adesola for the very honest and helpful post!
ReplyDeleteI can identify so many of the points you've raised. I can relate so well to the 'time management bit'! The deadline for the drafts hand ins have really helped me to get those essays done in time and then leaving enough time to work on the feedback! I then have less stress and that gives me more time to do more reading and find more references in relation to what I am writing.
I'm afraid I could be one of those that have not often initiated a lot of discussions with you or Helen esp in regards to the feedback. I guess I am still trying to work on the feedback given (and maybe find more literature) and get them ready in time by the submission date, but I think I might still be suffering from the teacher/student interaction, although you and Helen consistently tell us that it is a transaction, rather than a passive doing what the teacher told me to. This is still a learning curve for me, accepting this is a transaction and dialogue from 2 equal individuals rather than teacher/student... Maybe I should include that in my ROL!! And maybe this could be one of my biggest learning challenge.
Then, there is also the fact that I feel I should be responsible enough to work on the feedback on my own without having to constantly consult my tutor. Of course, if there are some burning issues that I needed help for or some advice, I will. There have been times when I did wonder if I should contact my tutor for more discussions (then I would think I should do it on my own first and if I am in desperate need, then I make contact!). There are also times when I feel at MA level, I should be responsible to work on my own and then most of the times I feel totally inadequate and then feeling like a kid moaning!! I suppose for me, this is one of the greatest adjustment to make.
Maybe this could be my topic of discussion for this Sunday??! I wonder if anyone else in the group shares any of these feelings and thoughts?
On another note, I would like to say how useful these blogs are and how I am constantly challenged whenever I read the posts from you and Helen. Even now, in the midst of writing my ROL and just reading Helen's blog has sparkled some new ideas and thoughts. And the constant discussions and readings have always brought in and sparkled new ideas! I would also like to add some of us have chatted over Whatsapps and even those discussion have proven to be useful and thought provoking at times!! Gosh, is this my ROL???!!!
This feedback post is very helpful, because although I may have questions, for some reason, I do have this feeling that the drafts were a one way guide ( from teacher to student) to indicate whether or not we were doing 'good' or 'bad'. I am encouraged to know that it is a two way conversation, and from this point forward I will be involved more in an exchange regarding the feedback, instead of censoring my thoughts about your feedback.
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